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	<title>Comments on: The Interview with Stephen Tompkins</title>
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	<description>Art, Design, Illustration, Skateboarding, and beauty</description>
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		<title>By: NP</title>
		<link>http://www.secretstill.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-interview-with-stephen-tompkins/comment-page-1/#comment-2444</link>
		<dc:creator>NP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha.  Word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha.  Word.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.secretstill.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-interview-with-stephen-tompkins/comment-page-1/#comment-2442</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As hot as that threeway sounds, I think I'd rather keep it in the abstract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As hot as that threeway sounds, I think I&#8217;d rather keep it in the abstract.</p>
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		<title>By: NP</title>
		<link>http://www.secretstill.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-interview-with-stephen-tompkins/comment-page-1/#comment-2441</link>
		<dc:creator>NP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right.

I'm not necessarily suggesting that recognizability equals form.  Rather, I'm saying that the narrative that rises from culturally recognized symbols can be seen as a Form unto itself.  Not to confuse things further, but I see Form and form as being two distinct things (ie- Body and body).

I think a more specified conversation develops when the viewer recognizes a Mickey Mouse glove (Tompkins) instead of just a hand (Essenhigh).  If Essenhigh was directly using images from say Akira, we'd be having one hell of a ménage à trois between her, Murakami, and Tompkins!

I'm suggesting Tompkins' usage of Pop imagery opens up another conversation beyond that of mere abstraction.  I'm not sure we should just accept this inclusion and let it stop at the ocular level.   To be fair, I don't think you're suggesting that either.

Anyways, I do agree about our need to make sense of abstraction, seeing images in clouds, faces in power outlets, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not necessarily suggesting that recognizability equals form.  Rather, I&#8217;m saying that the narrative that rises from culturally recognized symbols can be seen as a Form unto itself.  Not to confuse things further, but I see Form and form as being two distinct things (ie- Body and body).</p>
<p>I think a more specified conversation develops when the viewer recognizes a Mickey Mouse glove (Tompkins) instead of just a hand (Essenhigh).  If Essenhigh was directly using images from say Akira, we&#8217;d be having one hell of a ménage à trois between her, Murakami, and Tompkins!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m suggesting Tompkins&#8217; usage of Pop imagery opens up another conversation beyond that of mere abstraction.  I&#8217;m not sure we should just accept this inclusion and let it stop at the ocular level.   To be fair, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re suggesting that either.</p>
<p>Anyways, I do agree about our need to make sense of abstraction, seeing images in clouds, faces in power outlets, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.secretstill.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-interview-with-stephen-tompkins/comment-page-1/#comment-2438</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't say that recognizability is necessarily the same as form. I think Essenhigh's forms are just as recognizable as something familiar, but skewed, only without the pop references that Tompkins incorporates. The unfortunate part of any abstraction or deconstruction is that the mind will always try to reconscruct and analogize the abstracted form into something familiar. Our minds can't just let sleeping abstractions lie. 

The difference, as I see it, is between the interaction of the forms, which makes the underlying ideas very different. You're right though, about similar visualizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that recognizability is necessarily the same as form. I think Essenhigh&#8217;s forms are just as recognizable as something familiar, but skewed, only without the pop references that Tompkins incorporates. The unfortunate part of any abstraction or deconstruction is that the mind will always try to reconscruct and analogize the abstracted form into something familiar. Our minds can&#8217;t just let sleeping abstractions lie. </p>
<p>The difference, as I see it, is between the interaction of the forms, which makes the underlying ideas very different. You&#8217;re right though, about similar visualizations.</p>
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		<title>By: NP</title>
		<link>http://www.secretstill.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-interview-with-stephen-tompkins/comment-page-1/#comment-2435</link>
		<dc:creator>NP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate what you mean.  To summarize:

That is to say that (in Essenhigh's work) meaning is achieved when (structure) "A" has conceptual relation or compositional proximity to "B" and vice versa.

Whereas, in Tompkins work, meaning is dependent on "C," which rises from the mutually deconstructed ashes of "A" and "B".  As if the pulp they've beaten themselves into becomes the new form of "C"—a meta-meaning aside from or unrelated to the sum of its parts.
 
However, I have to disagree to a certain extent...  (and mind you I'm referring to Essenhigh's late 90's work since her new work is ripe with narrative)...

I would argue Tompkins might use more form than Essenhigh.  His inclusion of highly recognizable (dare I suggest "Disney-esque") animation signs/symbols opens up a cultural narrative that relates to the familiar, the fog of memory, "affect," etc.  This narrative becomes a super-Form, (heh heh or soupy-Form!), albeit one we can relate to even if we don't know why.

As I see it, Tompkins' work becomes a memory-blender of the past, where it's strength is supported by the "hey where have I seen that before?!" factor.  It moves forward by using forms from the past.  It's a mash-up.

Essenhigh's (earlier) work doesn't seem to have this experiential quality of culturally recognized forms/structures.  It's relying on something entirely different— a bizarre and recursive past-tense view of what the future might look like or dissolve into.  As this quality of the work is more speculative and less culturally recognizable (such as something like animation and cartoons), I'd say it's form-LESS-ness becomes it's strength.  It's more a morph and less a mash-up.

All in all, it's interesting how similar visual approaches to image-making can represent two different trajectories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate what you mean.  To summarize:</p>
<p>That is to say that (in Essenhigh&#8217;s work) meaning is achieved when (structure) &#8220;A&#8221; has conceptual relation or compositional proximity to &#8220;B&#8221; and vice versa.</p>
<p>Whereas, in Tompkins work, meaning is dependent on &#8220;C,&#8221; which rises from the mutually deconstructed ashes of &#8220;A&#8221; and &#8220;B&#8221;.  As if the pulp they&#8217;ve beaten themselves into becomes the new form of &#8220;C&#8221;—a meta-meaning aside from or unrelated to the sum of its parts.</p>
<p>However, I have to disagree to a certain extent&#8230;  (and mind you I&#8217;m referring to Essenhigh&#8217;s late 90&#8217;s work since her new work is ripe with narrative)&#8230;</p>
<p>I would argue Tompkins might use more form than Essenhigh.  His inclusion of highly recognizable (dare I suggest &#8220;Disney-esque&#8221;) animation signs/symbols opens up a cultural narrative that relates to the familiar, the fog of memory, &#8220;affect,&#8221; etc.  This narrative becomes a super-Form, (heh heh or soupy-Form!), albeit one we can relate to even if we don&#8217;t know why.</p>
<p>As I see it, Tompkins&#8217; work becomes a memory-blender of the past, where it&#8217;s strength is supported by the &#8220;hey where have I seen that before?!&#8221; factor.  It moves forward by using forms from the past.  It&#8217;s a mash-up.</p>
<p>Essenhigh&#8217;s (earlier) work doesn&#8217;t seem to have this experiential quality of culturally recognized forms/structures.  It&#8217;s relying on something entirely different— a bizarre and recursive past-tense view of what the future might look like or dissolve into.  As this quality of the work is more speculative and less culturally recognizable (such as something like animation and cartoons), I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s form-LESS-ness becomes it&#8217;s strength.  It&#8217;s more a morph and less a mash-up.</p>
<p>All in all, it&#8217;s interesting how similar visual approaches to image-making can represent two different trajectories.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.secretstill.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-interview-with-stephen-tompkins/comment-page-1/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are similarities, but really I think that Tompkins maintains less form and order than Essenhigh did. Her abstractions were grouped in a meaningful relations to one another, while Tompkins' subjects are grouped to emphasize an overall deconstruction of form. Make sense? Hers mean something to each other, and his mean something because of each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are similarities, but really I think that Tompkins maintains less form and order than Essenhigh did. Her abstractions were grouped in a meaningful relations to one another, while Tompkins&#8217; subjects are grouped to emphasize an overall deconstruction of form. Make sense? Hers mean something to each other, and his mean something because of each other.</p>
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		<title>By: NP</title>
		<link>http://www.secretstill.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-interview-with-stephen-tompkins/comment-page-1/#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>NP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The similarities to Inka Essenhigh's late 90's work is too uncanny to go unmentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The similarities to Inka Essenhigh&#8217;s late 90&#8217;s work is too uncanny to go unmentioned.</p>
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